Long Time Lurker, Feels safe to actually comment and discuss with recent changes.

The New Moderation policy is fantastic.

Being able to post freely without the threat of being constantly being harassed.

A+ Job Tarvin
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  • RonJeremy said:
    The New Moderation policy is fantastic.

    Being able to post freely without the threat of being constantly harassed.

    A+ Job Tarvin
    You are not supportive of privacy, security, or freedom of speech. I don't think you're American. The fight for freedom will only get stronger. Censorship supporters will fail.
    I'm actually Canadian.
  • I totally agree! I felt unsafe expressing both who I am, and my love of lazers in my username, I am finally free of these shackles restricting me!
  • I'm agree completely. The forums here were toxic prior to Tarvin's courageous stand on moderation.
  • DrVir said:
    I'm agree completely. The forums here were toxic prior to Tarvin's courageous stand on moderation./

    you should read what PIA's boss thinks of moderation. Your viewpoint loses. You're not a true American if you support restriction of freedom.

     


  • Canadians are just as bad with their views on personal freedom as brits are. Canadians don't understand freedom of speech and personal privacy. You are a Canadian using an American forum run by an American company. America = freedom
    I'm in full control of my personal privacy, and understand that anything in the forums is up to PIA's discretion. I would go as far to say that the Harmful Attacks by some users of the forums are more attacking of free speech than anything that the moderation has done. 
  • What is your goal with PIA?

    Our goal with PIA is to bring back the Wild Wild West that we loved so much, because it creates a system in which people are able to learn what they wish to learn, say what they wish to say, experience what they wish to experience, and create what they wish to create. I know this sounds corny, but an internet without boundaries or limitations, in which we can achieve our dreams, is our goal.--Andrew Lee, PIA boss and founder.

            I guess his philosophy doesn't extend to his forums.

     Give me liberty or give me death- Patrick Henry


  • Canadians are just as bad with their views on personal freedom as brits are. Canadians don't understand freedom of speech and personal privacy. You are a Canadian using an American forum run by an American company. America = freedom
    I'm in full control of my personal privacy, and understand that anything in the forums is up to PIA's discretion. I would go as far to say that the Harmful Attacks by some users of the forums are more attacking of free speech than anything that the moderation has done. 

  • What is your goal with PIA?

    Our goal with PIA is to bring back the Wild Wild West that we loved so much, because it creates a system in which people are able to learn what they wish to learn, say what they wish to say, experience what they wish to experience, and create what they wish to create. I know this sounds corny, but an internet without boundaries or limitations, in which we can achieve our dreams, is our goal.--Andrew Lee, PIA boss and founder.

            I guess his philosophy doesn't extend to his forums.

     Give me liberty or give me death- Patrick Henry

    I'm not American. 
  • What is your goal with PIA?

    Our goal with PIA is to bring back the Wild Wild West that we loved so much, because it creates a system in which people are able to learn what they wish to learn, say what they wish to say, experience what they wish to experience, and create what they wish to create. I know this sounds corny, but an internet without boundaries or limitations, in which we can achieve our dreams, is our goal.--Andrew Lee, PIA boss and founder.

            I guess his philosophy doesn't extend to his forums

     Give me liberty or give me death- Patrick Henry,


    This was in fact stated by Andrew Lee in the following article: 


    And this statement still remains true in regards to our VPN service itself. 

    Our forums are intended to be supplementary support for our VPN service, we need to maintain a civil support environment for all users in order to best serve all customers. The forum policies are just that, forum policies. We do not log anything in regards to our VPN service. We do not restrict traffic with our VPN service.

    I hope this helps clear up any misunderstanding.

    Best wishes!
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  • What is your goal with PIA?

    Our goal with PIA is to bring back the Wild Wild West that we loved so much, because it creates a system in which people are able to learn what they wish to learn, say what they wish to say, experience what they wish to experience, and create what they wish to create. I know this sounds corny, but an internet without boundaries or limitations, in which we can achieve our dreams, is our goal.--Andrew Lee, PIA boss and founder.

            I guess his philosophy doesn't extend to his forums.

     Give me liberty or give me death- Patrick Henry

    It seems to me like you are constantly taking this quote out of context.

    It's their forum and policies change. A years old quote may not reflect the current status of what is applicable
  • It seems to me that the VPN policy and the support forum policy might be substantively different things with different contexts requiring different approaches. 
  • PIA is still the same company with the same CEO and, did you know, we already forced PIA to remove the logging from their forum TOS? how can you trust a company to not log and monitor their vpn when they are logging and monitoring their forums? 

     half the battle has been won already as they removed the logging of ip addresses from the forum TOS.

     

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  • PIA is still the same company with the same CEO and, did you know, we already forced PIA to remove the logging from their forum TOS? how can you trust a company to not log and monitor their vpn when they are logging and monitoring their forums? 

     half the battle has been won already as they removed the logging of ip addresses from the forum TOS.


    Did you know that Andrew Lee isn't actually the CEO any more. Legit
    https://londontrustmedia.com/#about-us
  • I also want to point out that the British ended the practice of Slavery for most of the world (except the US, really). They love freedom.

    God save the Queen
  • DrVir said:
    I also want to point out that the British ended the practice of Slavery for most of the world (except the US, really). They love freedom.

    God save the Queen
    Haha, now that is laughable. They ruled the world through the barrel of a gun for how long?
  • DrVir said:
    I also want to point out that the British ended the practice of Slavery for most of the world (except the US, really). They love freedom.

    God save the Queen
    Haha, now that is laughable. They ruled the world through the barrel of a gun for how long?
    They can do that and ban slavery. They're not mutually exclusive. 
  • DrVir said:
    I also want to point out that the British ended the practice of Slavery for most of the world (except the US, really). They love freedom.

    God save the Queen
    Haha, now that is laughable. They ruled the world through the barrel of a gun for how long?
    Nah. Better to mention the "East India Trading Company" that was owned and ruled by the British royal family and who were well known for smuggling Opium into China in violation of Chinese law so they could turn a profit and use that to buy Tea.

    I have no special respect for Britain, but there are worse nations.

  • DrVir said:
    DrVir said:
    I also want to point out that the British ended the practice of Slavery for most of the world (except the US, really). They love freedom.

    God save the Queen
    Haha, now that is laughable. They ruled the world through the barrel of a gun for how long?
    They can do that and ban slavery. They're not mutually exclusive. 
    You said "they love freedom."

  • DrVir said:
    DrVir said:
    I also want to point out that the British ended the practice of Slavery for most of the world (except the US, really). They love freedom.

    God save the Queen
    Haha, now that is laughable. They ruled the world through the barrel of a gun for how long?
    They can do that and ban slavery. They're not mutually exclusive. 
    You said "they love freedom."
    Also not mutually exclusive. You can love freedom. Just in measured doses
  • Britain loves freedom? They are a total police state.
  • Britain loves freedom? They are a total police state.
    They sure do. 
  • DrVir said:
    Britain loves freedom? They are a total police state.
    They sure do. 
    Funny, considering they ruled half of Africa in 1921.

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  • DrVir said:
    Britain loves freedom? They are a total police state.
    They sure do. 
    Funny, considering they ruled half of Africa in 1921.

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    True, but I don't know what that has to do to countenance that they pretty much single handedly ended the world-wide norm of slavery to their own economic disadvantage. All because of principle. 
  • You said they "loved freedom" simply because they abolished slavery before the United States. That does not preclude the fact that they subjugated the world for a century after that. Hard to quantify how an imperial empire "loves freedom."
  • You said they "loved freedom" simply because they abolished slavery before the United States. That does not preclude the fact that they subjugated the world for a century after that. Hard to quantify how an imperial empire "loves freedom."
    It's always been the British ideal that all men are created equal. It wasn't always practiced, but you need to look no further than Her Majesty's Empire to see an Imperial state that spead the light of Civilization to the world and showed the way forward where peace and freedom for all. 
  • DrVir said:
    You said they "loved freedom" simply because they abolished slavery before the United States. That does not preclude the fact that they subjugated the world for a century after that. Hard to quantify how an imperial empire "loves freedom."
    It's always been the British ideal that all men are created equal. It wasn't always practiced, but you need to look no further than Her Majesty's Empire to see an Imperial state that spead the light of Civilization to the world and showed the way forward where peace and freedom for all. 
    Sounds like social darwinism.

  • DrVir said:
    DrVir said:
    Britain loves freedom? They are a total police state.
    They sure do. 
    Funny, considering they ruled half of Africa in 1921.

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    True, but I don't know what that has to do to countenance that they pretty much single handedly ended the world-wide norm of slavery to their own economic disadvantage. All because of principle. 
    While I respect your opinion, I do not really agree that the English Slave trade ended due to "principle". Unless you mean financial principle.

    And England has a definition of "freedom" that matches no other nation on Earth. I as an American think this is more bad than good, but I am open to the idea that I could be mistaken. There is much about England that I still do not understand.

    Did English slavery end about the same time Monarchical rule was replaced with Parliamentary rule? (I could look it up, but that is a rather complex set of subjects that would be a puzzle to determine on Wikipedia.)
  • Also, can you explain how implementing a "salt tax" in India where you could literally reach down to the ground and pick up a handful of salt, and then would owe England money is "freedom"? This is one more way that people are oppressed by England. Financial slavery is slavery nonetheless in my opinion.
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