Geolocked Content no longer supported.

PIA recently released a new policy about geo-locked content. It can be found here. For those who aren't really inclined to read the link it just means that you can't use the VPN to access netflix. Or anything else that could be considered violating a geolock. 

The way I read the policy that would also include geolocks which prevent people from accessing sites outside of their country. Of course I am thinking of places like China, UAE, and other such instances. 

After speaking with chat support I was instructed that this only applied to copyright as per US law. It is my understanding that the law applicable is the law where the person is resident. This would leave open the possibility of being unable to use the VPN to access perfectly lawful content in your own country if that content is protected by copyright in another country (goodby fair use doctrine). 

Also, the post makes references to "international laws," which they are abiding by. International laws generally don't apply to private actors like companies and really only to states. 

My reading of the situation is that PIA is using fictional laws in attempt to propagate a distinctly American notion of copyrights. Which is largely out of step with the rest of Western democracies. Their net also is much wider than they intimated to me via chat. 

I find this distincly disappointing. 

Comments

  • Strictly, they say they won't give support, not that you can't do that or that they will block you.
  • yup and the only thing we can do is speak across the board with our wallets. what i find humorous is they only provide a refund in 7 days. 99% of people north of the 45th parallel signed up for vpn on jan 1 because of a law change in 2015 jan 1st.  so I am betting 99% renewed Jan 1st. 2016. Pia released there new announcement jan 8th they would no longer be supporting bypassing yadda yadda. 1 day after all of us could have cancelled. I will remember that. will I be renewing pia again. no. unless they can work towards a solution without providing support they got some xplaning to do lucy.
  • I have cancelled my recurring subscription and all my friends have done the same as PIA is not trying to do anything about the geo restrictions. I only use pia to access the us netflix. I am using express vpn smart dns to access the american netflix.
  • @mickyarams, if all you're attempting to do is bypass geo restrictions a smartdns service is probably a better way to go anyway since that's exactly what it's intended for.
  • The policy states they won't offer support or assistance it does not state you can't use the service to access geo-locked content.

    PIA is a US company so it makes sense they would be sensitive to US legal issues, even when there is no specific clear law they might still open themselves up to being sued if someone else feels they are violating or facilitating the violation of their rights.

    If Netflix, BBC, etc. didn't start blocking VPN services you wouldn't even notice this policy change.
  • edited February 2016
    Alright, someone chime in here...torguard charges you to use smartdns with the VPN (which they are not offering until April now while they " reconfigure their servers ") ...most overseas VPN's that offer smartdns included VPN Packages are horribly expensive..if PIA were to offer a smartdns/VPN package I'm sure a price increase would be in the works..because of the illegality of avoiding geoblocks, PIA will no longer assist you with this...getflix smartdns is around $18 dollars 6/mo, $33 12/mo..the combination of PIA and getflix is still cheaper than most VPN plans....wouldn't it be easier to go this route than researching and worrying about switching VPN providers? And hearing that smartdns is about to be or is being blocked by netflix and such already, what other options are there other than like a static IP (which PIA does offer I think)?
  • edited February 2016
    @moshbeast, smart dns is anything but "horribly expensive." It averages out to be about the same, or even less, than the typical vpn service. So at most it would double the cost of an existing vpn subscription. However, there are current PIA customers who signed up for the vpn service, rather than smart dns from someplace else, only because PIA advertised it as something functionally equivalent (for their particular needs) as smart dns:

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    Only today did PIA remove that language from their homepage (gosh, that sure took a long time).

    If a PIA customer never really needed vpn in the first place, and they only needed geoblock circumvention, smart dns will do the job much better for them, especially since smart dns companies appear committed to stay in the whack-a-mole game for the long haul. PIA customers who needed that should have been steered toward smart dns providers in the first place. Instead, many of them just wasted their money and won't be refunded for PIA's broken promises.

    As to TorGuard's involvement re: smart dns, you're correct. They happen to be one of the smart dns providers I eluded to who's actively engaged in developing and rolling out advanced technology to stay a few steps ahead of Netflix, and other geoblockers. You're also correct about the issue of dedicated IP. That's specifically what TorGuard recommends, at least at this point in time, and until they've fully retooled their smart dns. A dedicated IP makes it almost impossible to be blocked. Needless to say there's added expense for it. TorGuard happens to be running a lifetime 50% off deal at this time, bringing the cost down to around $4/mo. So if someone needs both vpn and geoblock circumvention it's probably the ideal way to go. If someone doesn't need vpn they can just go with a smart dns service and save the money.

    If PIA offered a dedicated ip at a reasonable fee then that would fit the bill for at least some here who are frustrated over geolocking. But PIA doesn't offer it anyway. However, even if they did I'd still have to speak against specifically recommending PIA as they clearly wouldn't support it for those purposes. Companies like TorGuard will.
  • @tomeworm ; to be fair though, if anyone buys a year subscription to say,Getflix or UnoTelly smartdns, and Netflix blocks smartdns in the future, do you think Getflix or UnoTelly will be refunding everyone's money?  I don't think so
  • @moshbeast, fair emough. The difference is that smart dns companies, for the most part, are committed to staying in the whack-a-mole game for the long haul. PIA gave the appearance they were in too, but then unilaterally and without warning pulled out.

    Is it their prerogative to do so? Yes, but it doesn't speak well of their business ethics to pull out while also refusing a refund to those who purchased their service to "Unblock censorship filters" and "Enjoy unrestricted access." Their cover story for doing so is over "legalities." Yet they knew and understood the legal issues all along, and Netflix's geolocking policy doesn't change that. This sort of flip floppery I find very disconcerting.

    We're still waiting, PIA, for that promised public statement.
  • I'm glad I just started using PIA and only paid for a month to see what it's like.  So what would be the best service / combination of services to use besides PIA with Getflix or whatever (I don't feel like I can trust PIA anymore with this move, sadly, because what's to prevent them from doing so again with some other aspect of their service)?  How does Getflix's VPN service compare to others'?
  • @woozy ; does Getflix VPN log is the better question...I don't know what anyone can say on this topic anymore...most VPN's are being blocked by Netflix now and the few that are offering smartdns are $100+ a year...they (Netflix) are trying to block smartdns as well, if that happens, everyone's SOL...do you really want a dedicated IP VPN? even if they don't log, if anything comes back on them. you're a sitting duck as you are the only one using that IP...Torguard keeps saying they'll be offering a smartdns solution in April and for now, you can use a dedicated IP and they are allocating more or different IP's to each server...how long till all those different IP's are blocked?  how many can they possibly have? all the IPv4 addresses are used up...it sounds like a big smoke and mirrors dance to me..a good smartdns provider and PIA together is about $70 a year...I wouldn't even go a year cause what happens if smartdns gets blocked...people don't want to hear this but accessing geolocked copyright restricted material is not legal in the eyes of Netflix, they could file a lawsuit against PIA for aiding and abetting by promoting services which do such...PIA is in CYA mode..these US based VPN's bragging about helping people access geolocked content are asking for a lot of legal trouble IMO now that Netflix has morphed into this monopolistic monstrosity...as for PIA, bittorent has many legal uses and they don't really offer any other services that could come back on them negatively, so I can't see any other aspects of their service being removed...smartdns has no legal use other than accessing geoblocked content, therein lies the problem...as for Getflix, they, UnoTelly, SmartDNS and others all offer free trials before you purchase,,I would do research, read reviews, and take advantage of those free trials to see which one meets my needs...I can see how people who bought the VPN to access geolocked content would be upset..I would be too...but unfortunately I'm sure they were advised by their lawyers of the legal ramifications of what they were doing, and made an appropriate and necessary course corrections
  • I'm not worried about not being able to get around geolocking policy for my own sake, I'm worried about the sudden change of policy on PIA's part and I'm worried about what else they'll suddenly change in the name of "legalities", after taking people's money for a year.  

    They promised a certain service and then without much notice suddenly pulled the rug from under people who were hoping to use that service. I think it would be in PIA's best interest to promise better notification and maybe even at least partial refunds if they ever do something like this again in the future.  

    It may seem silly if not hypocritical to worry about ethics here, and maybe it is, but I think people would worry far less about giving them their money if they had some sort of reassurances about sudden/major changes in policy like this.  It's not a demand, it's a suggestion, and they can (and will) do with it as they see fit.
  • My job involves international travel. I don't want to access geolocked content to which I'm not entitled (I live in the UK), I just want to be able to access abroad what I can access at home. I used to use PIA with a UK IP address, and I was a bit peeved that Netlfix required me to do that instead of relying on a username/password. And now it won't even let me do that. I am seriously thinking about cancelling my Neflix account.

  • edited February 2016
    @p6306052, I think many people are now canceling their Netflix accounts over this new geolocking policy of theirs. I would have never expected Netflix to push it this far -- perhaps just a little public saber rattling to convince the studios they were doing something about "Netflix pirates." But to be this aggressive about geolocking? They're putting a knife to their own throats.

    Ironically all that will come of this is escalate the amount of file sharing, especially from places like KAT and TPB, both of which have just about everything you could find on Netflix US, and much more. Both sites also recently embedded Torrents-Time making it especially easy to "stream" movies ala Popcorn Time (however, I strongly urge people not to install Torrents Time -- it's a potential security disaster as Andrew Sampson has explained, and the majority of Popcorn Time forks are now also riddled with malware).

    Content producers lie with their "education programs" trying to convince us that everything we want is available "legally." No, it is not, not even a tiny fraction of it, and there is no stronger evidence of that than the pressure they put on a company like Netflix to deliberately restrict content access to paying subscribers. In my view the primary reason online piracy is rampant is not because most people want it all for free, but because content producers and distributors continue maintaining a stranglehold on content access with their 20th century business model. People outside the US assume it only affects them, but the reality is it affects us too, and in incredibly annoying ways.

    Here's a classic example: Just last night I turned on Netflix to continue watching the 4th in a 10 part series, History Channel's "How The States Got Their Shapes." But as I have had happen to me many times before, it's no longer there anymore! Not by Netlix's choice, mind you. It's all thanks to an antiquated and insane decades old distribution system called "windowing."

    I will continue watching the series because I learned a great deal from it. It just won't be on Netflix since they're not permitted to carry it anymore. It also won't be directly from History Channel since I don't have cable TV (I "cut the cord" years ago), and even if I did I wouldn't wait another year or two for them to run the series again. I've gotten too used to watching things instantly, such as Netflix gives me; but if I can't get it on Netflix it's still almost always available from other sources. Does that make me a "pirate"? I think not; and I certainly don't have any trouble sleeping at night about it.
  • I'm not worried about not being able to get around geolocking policy for my own sake, I'm worried about the sudden change of policy on PIA's part and I'm worried about what else they'll suddenly change in the name of "legalities", after taking people's money for a year.

    I agre 100%.
  • woozy said:
    I'm glad I just started using PIA and only paid for a month to see what it's like.  So what would be the best service / combination of services to use besides PIA with Getflix or whatever (I don't feel like I can trust PIA anymore with this move, sadly, because what's to prevent them from doing so again with some other aspect of their service)?  How does Getflix's VPN service compare to others'?


    I was foolish enough to pay for pia one year subscription back in November. Now that Netflix has blacklisted their IPs, pia don't want to do anything about it. 
    I have gone with torguard as they offer dedicated IPs for some extra fees that vcan be used for netflix and you can use their regular shared IPs for torrenting and other stuff.. I got the whole package for half price after chatting with one of their  guys. It'sa n excellent service I will recommend to everybody.

  • @mickyarams, please check back in a month or so and report on your success with torguard. Longer term reviews are far more significant than initial impressions.
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