Why is PIA throttling my download speed when I have a torrent client open?

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Here is my internet speeds from speedtest while off the VPN, on it, and on it with uTorrent open.  Why is this happening?

also 1 more thing to add, I still get 177Mb/s down speed while off my VPN with uTorrent open, but I forgot to include that in this image.
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  • I can also post a video of me running the speedtest, then opening uTorrent and running it again, if that is necessary to provide additional proof towards the issue I am experiencing.
  • lrryie is wrong when he says, "speedtest doesn't supply any useful measurement of connection speed on VPN."

    What you've discovered shouldn't be so rudely dismissed, as lrryie has, yet once again, done.

    I'd recommend trying your test again but this time use speedof.me since it's HTML5 based rather than flash. Let us know if that produces better results.

  • tomeworm said:
    lrryie is wrong when he says, "speedtest doesn't supply any useful measurement of connection speed on VPN."

    What you've discovered shouldn't be so rudely dismissed, as lrryie has, yet once again, done.

    I'd recommend trying your test again but this time use speedof.me since it's HTML5 based rather than flash. Let us know if that produces better results.
    I have never been able to get accurate results out of speedof.me it's always low for me no matter what I do. My actual connection speed without VPN is around 220 Mbps the most I get out of speedof.me is around 80 Mbps.


  • I have never been able to get accurate results out of speedof.me it's always low for me no matter what I do. My actual connection speed without VPN is around 220 Mbps the most I get out of speedof.me is around 80 Mbps.
    That may have a lot to do with where you live and where their closest servers are to you. They don't have nearly as many servers and locations as speedtest.net  If speedof.me doesn't even have a server in your country, for example, I could definitely see that happening.
  • We've already had this debate and you lost. It's obvious you don't know what you're talking about, so why do you keep showing up only to have yourself proven ignorant all over again? Glutton for punishment?

    At least you're making slightly less of a fool of yourself this time by moderating your position from saying that speedtest.net is "useless" to this:
    lrryie said:
    not true on VPN as no speed test site works for valid measurement of connection speed on VPN...
    Experience has taught me that calling you out for such blustering sometimes at least does get you to tone it down a bit. So at least we're now headed in the right direction. If we keep this up long enough it's conceivable that you'll even be able to eventually admit that you were wrong for saying that speedtest.net is useless.

    So where is that published opinion of at least one independent third-party network engineer that you were going to produce to back up your opinions on this? All we've seen so far is walls and walls of your redundant bloviating.
  • lrryie said:
    the "independent third-party network engineer" is something you made up to support your false information, BS, lies, and harassment with attempts to discredit and attempts to disparage me. I never said that I would "produce and independent third-party network engineer" opinion - you are lying again and once again we are just seeing lies from you.

    I will own that I've discredited you. However, the reality is that no one is capable of discrediting you better than yourself, and you've once again done a fine job of it.

    You've been called out for yet another one of your many unsubstantiated allegations, and you have failed miserably to prove your allegation.

    You've droned on and on in multiple posts about how speedtest.net is "useless" for testing a vpn. Until now you've gotten away with it. Those days are over. Bring it up again and I'll call you out for it, at least until you're able to prove it. The proof is not in your unsubstantiated personal opinions. Your personal opinions prove nothing, other than that you are an extremely opinionated person, and you think no one may dare ever challenge your opinions.

    Oh, and thanks for the reply which yet once again proves my point: "All we've seen so far is walls and walls of your redundant bloviating." 
  • lrryie said:
    tomeworm said:


    I have never been able to get accurate results out of speedof.me it's always low for me no matter what I do. My actual connection speed without VPN is around 220 Mbps the most I get out of speedof.me is around 80 Mbps.
    That may have a lot to do with where you live and where their closest servers are to you. They don't have nearly as many servers and locations as speedtest.net  If speedof.me doesn't even have a server in your country, for example, I could definitely see that happening.
    not true on VPN as no speed test site works for valid measurement of connection speed on VPN so it does not matter which sever/location one uses.
    Well I was specifically talking about my connection without VPN ... so uh, yeah. I think you need to step back from the discussion a bit and relax, it looks like you're getting all wound up again.

    As to your comment "it does not matter which sever/location one uses." that simply can not be true, it would be illogical for that statement to be true. Different servers will give you different outcomes so it does matter, even if the outcomes are incorrect. You might even get a perfectly accurate reading if you try enough servers for long enough, if you run the test often enough with enough of different servers you will eventually get the correct reading, it has to happen, eventually.
  • lrryie said:
    lrryie said:
    tomeworm said:


    I have never been able to get accurate results out of speedof.me it's always low for me no matter what I do. My actual connection speed without VPN is around 220 Mbps the most I get out of speedof.me is around 80 Mbps.
    That may have a lot to do with where you live and where their closest servers are to you. They don't have nearly as many servers and locations as speedtest.net  If speedof.me doesn't even have a server in your country, for example, I could definitely see that happening.
    not true on VPN as no speed test site works for valid measurement of connection speed on VPN so it does not matter which sever/location one uses.
    Well I was specifically talking about my connection without VPN ... so uh, yeah. I think you need to step back from the discussion a bit and relax, it looks like you're getting all wound up again.

    As to your comment "it does not matter which sever/location one uses." that simply can not be true, it would be illogical for that statement to be true. Different servers will give you different outcomes so it does matter, even if the outcomes are incorrect. You might even get a perfectly accurate reading if you try enough servers for long enough, if you run the test often enough with enough of different servers you will eventually get the correct reading, it has to happen, eventually.
    well, since we were talking VPN and speed test sites, it was reasonable to think you were talking about the same.

    it is true, because the speed test site will never give a valid useful result on VPN. Sure your gonna get different with different servers, never said you would not. On VPN none of those different server results are going to be valid for your connection speed on VPN. No matter which sever you use the speed test site test is still only testing to the VPN network server that assigned your VPN IP address and not back to your computer leaving 90% of the path between your computer and the VPN network exit to the internet unaccounted for in the speed test site connection speed calculation. That 90% is the most important part of your connection speed because connection speed is always relative to the end point and your computers end point on VPN is the gateway server. On VPN all you do when you test to a different sever on the speed test sites is change the path from the internet side to the VPN network server that assigned your VPN IP address, you still end up testing to the VPN network server that assigned your VPN IP address no matter how many different servers you test with.

    No, on VPN and using a speed test site for connection speed measurement you will never get "a perfectly accurate" or "correct" reading no matter how many times you run the test. It is impossible to get speed test site "perfectly accurate" or "correct" reading on VPN because 90% of the path can't be tested because the speed test site can't  test back to your system through the VPN network. Sure, you might get a reading that you think should be " perfectly accurate" or "correct" but its just coincidental and not "a perfectly accurate" or "correct" reading.

    I don't need to take step back on anything.
    You quoted him. I suggest you read his quote again. And since you are as certain of your absolute superiority to everyone else on any subject ever, I will spell it out for you by quoting him again.

    tomeworm said:
    lrryie is wrong when he says, "speedtest doesn't supply any useful measurement of connection speed on VPN."

    What you've discovered shouldn't be so rudely dismissed, as lrryie has, yet once again, done.

    I'd recommend trying your test again but this time use speedof.me since it's HTML5 based rather than flash. Let us know if that produces better results.
    I have never been able to get accurate results out of speedof.me it's always low for me no matter what I do. My actual connection speed without VPN is around 220 Mbps the most I get out of speedof.me is around 80 Mbps.
    Please pay attention to details. You throw a fit if anyone disregards the exact wording you use for anything. So surely a "superior" being such as yourself would *ALWAYS* pay close attention to exactly what they say.
  • lrryie said:

    I have never been able to get accurate results out of speedof.me it's always low for me no matter what I do. My actual connection speed without VPN is around 220 Mbps the most I get out of speedof.me is around 80 Mbps.
    Well I was specifically talking about my connection without VPN ... so uh, yeah. I think you need to step back from the discussion a bit and relax, it looks like you're getting all wound up again.

    well, since we were talking VPN and speed test sites, it was reasonable to think you were talking about the same.

    Reasonable? lrryie, how many times does UltraHumanite have to say it for it to sink into your brain? You're not being at all reasonable, and UltraHumanite is correct in his observations that you're "wound up." You're so wound up you can't even comprehend the most basic sentence structure and context.

    One of your favorite criticisms to level against others is "You have a reading comprehension problem and a fourth grade reading and language level." So what's your excuse for your own atrocious reading comprehension problems here? He said it twice, and in very simple terms. And you still want to argue about it? Why is it impossible for you to ever apologize for your mistakes?
  • lrryie said:

    tomeworm said:
    lrryie said:

    I have never been able to get accurate results out of speedof.me it's always low for me no matter what I do. My actual connection speed without VPN is around 220 Mbps the most I get out of speedof.me is around 80 Mbps.
    Well I was specifically talking about my connection without VPN ... so uh, yeah. I think you need to step back from the discussion a bit and relax, it looks like you're getting all wound up again.

    well, since we were talking VPN and speed test sites, it was reasonable to think you were talking about the same.

    Reasonable? lrryie, how many times does UltraHumanite have to say it for it to sink into your brain? You're not being at all reasonable, and UltraHumanite is correct in his observations that you're "wound up." You're so wound up you can't even comprehend the most basic sentence structure and context.

    One of your favorite criticisms to level against others is "You have a reading comprehension problem and a fourth grade reading and language level." So what's your excuse for your own atrocious reading comprehension problems here? He said it twice, and in very simple terms. And you still want to argue about it? Why is it impossible for you to ever apologize for your mistakes?
      disingenuous and not true - you are a liar.
    Really? Not true? Let's see what you quoted.

    tomeworm said:
    lrryie is wrong when he says, "speedtest doesn't supply any useful measurement of connection speed on VPN."

    What you've discovered shouldn't be so rudely dismissed, as lrryie has, yet once again, done.

    I'd recommend trying your test again but this time use speedof.me since it's HTML5 based rather than flash. Let us know if that produces better results.
    I have never been able to get accurate results out of speedof.me it's always low for me no matter what I do. My actual connection speed without VPN is around 220 Mbps the most I get out of speedof.me is around 80 Mbps.
    You are clearly trying to start a fight. I will not be baited. You can go find the nearest robert_lazar clone to fight with. I want no part. Calling others liars is against the rules by the way. Notice I never called you a liar once since the rules were changed? Please stop calling people liars without actual proof.

  • I knew omni would find a way to drag Robert Lazar into this. However by doing that omni is doing nothing to help his position against Irryie. Irryie has quoted and highlighted what the other have said. By doing this Irryie did prove the others are making intentionality false statements as well as using confirmation bias.
    The funniest thing about this, sock puppet boy, is that you actually believe that you are helping lrryie's credibility. Under the new forum rules it would be quite difficult for me articulate precisely why it's so funny. But it's not necessary anyway. Everyone gets it... but you. So go ahead and create some more sock puppets and cheer lrryie on. The poor boy needs as much encouragement as he can get.
  • And what do we see here? The nearest robert_lazar clone came to seek a fight. No thank you robert_lazar. No matter the number of fake accounts you make, you are still obvious and no-one wants anything to do with you.
  • Tomeworm is either angry or insane. The problem is that he is deflecting attention away from himself by claiming Robert Lazar makes sock puppets when he has no proof of that whatsoever. Robert Lazar has never used more than one user name. Tomeworm had to drag Robert Lazar into this because Irryie caught him lying and presented proof that he was lying. Robert Lazar has nothing to do with irryie catching tomeworm in lies.
    robert_lazar claimed he had 500 "unused" handles on this forum. And he has always been so inarticulate that every one of them was obvious.

    No proof whatsoever? So those 500 unused handles are not proof? You were the one who said it.

    Whatever you call yourself, you are always UFO Bob to me. (UBob for simplicity.)
  • lrryie said:

    Oh, by the way I did not lose any debate, you declared that I lost...  
    You most certainly did lose the debate. You lost under the same rules that you routinely employ yourself -- I declare it thus, and therefore it is so. The proof for it is that I have declared it so and it is therefore irrefutable. If you disagree with me you are just harassing me and you're a confirmation bias liar.

    You lost the debate because I have declared it so. If you deny it you are a liar. Confused? Exactly.

    Now to get back to the original point, you have proven nothing. Produce a published opinion from an independent third-party network engineer that demonstrates that speedtest.net is "useless" for testing vpns. Then we can put this to bed. I'll be more than happy to offer an apology and admit I was wrong. Unless you do that I'll continue, as I have, and you can continue responding with walls and walls of bluster and bloviation.
  • lrryie said:
    tomeworm said:
    lrryie said:

    Oh, by the way I did not lose any debate, you declared that I lost...  
    You most certainly did lose the debate. You lost under the same rules that you routinely employ yourself -- I declare it thus, and therefore it is so. The proof for it is that I have declared it so and it is therefore irrefutable. If you disagree with me you are just harassing me and you're a confirmation bias liar.

    You lost the debate because I have declared it so. If you deny it you are a liar. Confused? Exactly.

    Now to get back to the original point, you have proven nothing. Produce a published opinion from an independent third-party network engineer that demonstrates that speedtest.net is "useless" for testing vpns. Then we can put this to bed. I'll be more than happy to offer an apology and admit I was wrong. Unless you do that I'll continue, as I have, and you can continue responding with walls and walls of bluster and bloviation.
      disingenuous and not true - you are a liar
    I also declare that Irryie is wrong, and everything he has ever said is a lie. That is two "my word against yours" posts against you and robert_lazar. This is not a court of popular opinion, but even if it were, you would lose.

    Plainly said, no-one cares what robert_lazar thinks. He literally claims to worship you and me. I have asked him to stop on numerous occasions. You have not. That discredits you far more that anything short of...(Removed since that would surely violate the rules of the forum.)

    Suffice it to say that if you continue cooperating with robert_lazar, then I and many others will have to think of you as the most well spoken of his clones. The choice is yours.
  • lrryie said:
    Prove that even one test ping for latency testing from a speed test site actually gets to your actual computer while on VPN. A test that is not accurate or correct is useless. 
    And you accuse me of being disingenuous? 

    I've already acknowledged that you may be quite correct about pinging, and therefore latency testing. That's not the technical issue at dispute and you know it. Please stop playing these games.
  • @lrryie I guess I understand what you're saying. But how would you explain these results. I get them consistently in this range.

    This is my result from speedtest.net without VPN to Optimum Online server in New York.
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    Here is the result to the same server but with VPN on. PIA US East to Optimum Online server in New York.
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    What are your thought on this? If the speed with VPN on has nothing to do with the actual speed of my connection then why are these results so close? Thoughts?

  • lrryie said:
    tomeworm said:
    lrryie said:
    Prove that even one test ping for latency testing from a speed test site actually gets to your actual computer while on VPN. A test that is not accurate or correct is useless. 
    And you accuse me of being disingenuous? 

    I've already acknowledged that you may be quite correct about pinging, and therefore latency testing. That's not the technical issue at dispute and you know it. Please stop playing these games.
    That's not disingenuous, its the truth.  

    the test pings for latency testing on VPN from the speed test sites for testing connection speed are (one of the) the technical issues you disputed. Then when you realized that you were wrong you launched into this other crap. You are disingenuous and a liar, and you're confirmation biased and have a reading comprehension issue. Now you admit you were wrong and have been lying and you don't even realize you admitted it.   
    Calling someone a liar is incredibly disrespectful. If you cannot prove they lied, then it is doubtlessly against the forum rules.

    "We do expect that all users here will treat each other with respect.  While we do understand that we have clientel from all over the world, it's important that we all work together to create a strong community."

    So since the only two people who regularly accuse anyone of lying are Irryie and robert_lazar, they are the only two here violating the forum rules.

    I and most others do not even object when you accuse us of lying. Instead we ask if you have any evidence to back it up. And each time we ask, we are ignored or given a circular reasoning excuse like "I already told you my evidence and because I already did, I never have to again and you are wrong".

    Shall I explain circular reasoning again? Or can we start behaving in a proper and respectful fashion?

    Frankly if you cannot interact with others without being disrespectful in such an extreme, perhaps you should consider your own advice and seek another place on the Internet to make your home.
  • Irryie broke no rules by calling tomeworm a liar. Irryie presented clear evidence and highlighted every point. He broke no rules.
    Show me. Please. Quote Irryie presenting clear evidence and highlighting every point. Go ahead. I can wait. (I already re-read every single post in this thread. He never proved anything.)
  • OmniNegro said:
    He never proved anything.
    Yes he did. All he needs is a little magical thinking and this formula:

    I declare it thus, and therefore it is so. The proof for it is that I have declared it so and it is therefore irrefutable. If you disagree with me you are just harassing me and you're a confirmation bias liar.

    Robert Lazar and his "army" of sock puppets use precisely the same magical thinking as lrryie. In fact their thinking is identical in so many respects. Hmmm.
  • I need to point out that Omninegro is not being rational. He used to be irryie's biggest fan and cheerleader. Irryie would destroy Robert Lazar many times and each time omni was right there to worship Irryie and cheer him on. So it is a mystery to me why Omninegro now hates Irryie.
    I was never a fan and most certainly not a cheerleader. I never once in my entire life worshiped any Human. And in case you think that you understand things, let me be clear. I never said that I hate Irryie either.

    I enjoyed some of the posts he has made, and I hated some of them. That is all. At this point I am starting to wonder if the reason Irryie is seemingly unable to tell you to stop "worshipping" him is that you two are one and the same.

    And I am not the only one wondering who is who.

    Nonetheless I am still waiting on not only the five documents you requested to supposedly prove that PIA had done something I will not mention, and also the proof that supposedly exists in this very thread that was supposedly posted by Irryie.

    Get to work or stay out of this.
  • edited January 2016

    lrryie said:  
    Anyway, I will recap in outline because it seems some are not able to see the connection...

    That latency part of a connection speed calculation is required, it is impossible to calculate connection speed without taking into account path delay of packets which is latency, the more delay the less the connection speed to an end point.

    Okay, thanks lrryie for helping everyone get the connection. It's certainly an important connection, one that you yourself fail or refuse to see, but one that I have seen the self-contradiction of from the beginning.

    Thanks also for confirming again that you're a thimblerigger and a snake oil peddler. I'll have to admit though that you're one of the most convincing, albeit obnoxious, snake oil peddlers I've ever witnessed. The way you string percentages together (bogus as they are), along with your "It's a fact" bold as brass assertions, is truly impressive. You in no way lack for audaciousness. I have to wonder if you're this audacious in real life. You must be a sight to see at a party, providing hours of amusement to all onlookers.

    Let me point out the obvious self-contradiction in your argument about the necessity of factoring latency -- your laborious lrryiestopwatchspeedtest doesn't include any factoring for latency. You don't measure latency yourself, and the reality is you can't do so with your primitive and tedious stopwatch method. Thus your entire position fails.

    Filling multiple threads with walls and walls of impressive sounding "The fact is" and specious percentages can easily convince a sycophant like Robert Lazar. Have you convinced yourself, as well? There are snake oil peddlers who have spent so many years deluding others with fantastical story telling that it becomes a pathology and, as a result, they actually start believing their self-fabricated magical tales. It would seem that's what's happened here too.
  • lrryie said:
    OmniNegro said:
    I need to point out that Omninegro is not being rational. He used to be irryie's biggest fan and cheerleader. Irryie would destroy Robert Lazar many times and each time omni was right there to worship Irryie and cheer him on. So it is a mystery to me why Omninegro now hates Irryie.
    I was never a fan and most certainly not a cheerleader. I never once in my entire life worshiped any Human. And in case you think that you understand things, let me be clear. I never said that I hate Irryie either.

    I enjoyed some of the posts he has made, and I hated some of them. That is all. At this point I am starting to wonder if the reason Irryie is seemingly unable to tell you to stop "worshipping" him is that you two are one and the same.

    And I am not the only one wondering who is who.

    Nonetheless I am still waiting on not only the five documents you requested to supposedly prove that PIA had done something I will not mention, and also the proof that supposedly exists in this very thread that was supposedly posted by Irryie.

    Get to work or stay out of this.
    that in bold and highlighted yellow:

    1. It wouldn't do any good and you know that.

    2. wonder no more, I am not him

    3. You've been waiting needlessly because the proof was posted. Its on the speed test sites their self in plain view, and I outlined why speed test sites are useless for testing connection speed on VPN and in doing so highlighted that plain view proof. If one is not able to make the connection between that in plain view on the speed test sites and connection speed measurement using those sites on VPN that's not my fault.

    Anyway, I will recap in outline because it seems some are not able to see the connection;

    It is a fact that speed test sites can't test the most important part of a VPN users 'connection speed' which is about 90% of the VPN users connection path. There is not one single mathematical calculation on earth that can be used to calculate a whole quantity if 90% of that whole quantity is missing, for example of what I mean, one can not fill a gallon bucket 10% full and then say its 100% a whole gallon by any calculation because 90% of that whole gallon is missing. That's the case with speed test sites, that path between the VPN user computer and the VPN network exit to the internet comprises about 90% of the VPN user connection path for the VPN network with the other about 10% being the VPN network server (through the VPN network and that VPN server) exit to the internet. Connection speed is always relative to the end point and on VPN that tunnel endpoint is the VPN network server that assigned the VPN IP address. A speed test site can only test to the IP origination point and on VPN that IP origination point for a VPN user (among many others in a shared VPN IP address system which have the same assigned VPN IP address - OpenVPN networks are shared IP networks thus PIA is a shared IP network) is the VPN network server that assigned the VPN IP address and not the users system behind the VPN. The actual path to the VPN user system back though the VPN network is unable to be discovered by design (its a security feature) from the internet side and all speed test sites actually originate the test from the speed test site (the internet side) thus the test pings for latency are not able to discover the actual path to a VPN user system back through the VPN so are unable to be used for measurement of path latency on VPN for about 90% of the path of the VPN connection. A path that is not discoverable can not be tested. So the only thing the speed test site is able to measure for path latency is the external internet path between the speed test site and the VPN network IP origination point which on VPN is the server that assigned the VPN IP address, that is what VPN users are seeing in the speed test site results and that is not the connection speed for any of those VPN IP address users but rather what is left at that VPN network server after being divided among those VPN IP address users.     

    That latency part of a connection speed calculation is required, it is impossible to calculate connection speed without taking into account path delay of packets which is latency, the more delay the less the connection speed to an end point.

    Connection speed is basically how fast your data packets move through the bandwidth range supplied by your ISP and is always relative to the end point, even on VPN. If those data packets are delayed it slows down connection speed to the end point. ~20 ms latency is ~15% of peak connection speed and ~10% of average connection speed. There is not one single ISP network connection in the world that when connecting to an end point via the internet will not experience at least a minimum of 20 ms latency and when the total path latency is added up that 20 ms latency is going to become greater for the whole path and inversely affect a big chunk of connection speed. That latency needs to be taken into account in a connection speed calculation and if 90% of the path is not able to be measured for latency one will never arrive at a useful result, a calculation that can not calculate a whole quantity is useless if you want to know what the whole quantity is, speed test sites are useless for testing connection speed on VPN. Plus there is an up to ~15% inherent loss (variable) in connection speed through the VPN network and the speed test site can't test that either.

    So people can stay steeped in the myth and confirmation bias that speed test sites are useful for testing connection speed on VPN all that want and continue to expend countless hours trying to compare ones speed test site reading for VPN connection speed to another all they want. The results will never be useful or correct on VPN even if the results seem to be where a user thinks they should be or are coincidentally the same or similar/comparable to a non-VPN test.
    How nice of you to post a wall of text to a post made to your other personality.

    You have still not proven one single solitary thing. Saying you have over and over will not make it so. You can post a link to actual proof. But using partial metaphors that do not cover all the subject will always be rejected.

    And your repeated filabuster technique will also fail. I do not care how many words you use. Using more words to explain a simple concept only proves you lack an adequate understanding of the English language to say it in a way that makes sense.

    Speaking to you seems to be more of a waste of time than speaking with your other personalities like UBob.

    So to heck with this "discussion".

    Here I will start anew and not address the clones at all.

    The only reliable speed test I have ever found is a properly configured torrent client using a single, well seeded torrent like a Linux ISO image. Period.

    It works on every system regardless of the speed of the connection, and even if the VPN fails for some reason, Linux is free to share.
  • lrryie said:

    tomeworm said:

    lrryie said:  
    Anyway, I will recap in outline because it seems some are not able to see the connection...

    That latency part of a connection speed calculation is required, it is impossible to calculate connection speed without taking into account path delay of packets which is latency, the more delay the less the connection speed to an end point.

    Okay, thanks lrryie for helping everyone get the connection. It's certainly an important connection, one that you yourself fail or refuse to see, but one that I have seen the self-contradiction of from the beginning.

    Thanks also for confirming again that you're a thimblerigger and a snake oil peddler. I'll have to admit though that you're one of the most convincing, albeit obnoxious, snake oil peddlers I've ever witnessed. The way you string percentages together (bogus as they are), along with your "It's a fact" bold as brass assertions, is truly impressive. You in no way lack for audaciousness. I have to wonder if you're this audacious in real life. You must be a sight to see at a party, providing hours of amusement to all onlookers.

    Let me point out the obvious self-contradiction in your argument about the necessity of factoring latency -- your laborious lrryiestopwatchspeedtest doesn't include any factoring for latency. You don't measure latency yourself, and the reality is you can't do so with your primitive and tedious stopwatch method. Thus your entire position fails.

    Filling multiple threads with walls and walls of impressive sounding "The fact is" and specious percentages can easily convince a sycophant like Robert Lazar. Have you convinced yourself, as well? There are snake oil peddlers who have spent so many years deluding others with fantastical story telling that it becomes a pathology and, as a result, they actually start believing their self-fabricated magical tales. It would seem that's what's happened here too.

    "Let me point out the obvious self-contradiction in your argument..."

    The manual method I outlined does take latency into account even though the latency is not measured directly. The download connection speed measured by that method I outlined at the computer is after latency has affected the connection speed, that's what you get on your end its always after. In other words the latency is already factored into the download connection speed measured at the computer by that method. If you knew what you were talking about you would realize that - yet one more example of your false information and lying. Your an idiot, you have no clue as to how connection speed works for if you did you would have known that a download connection speed measured at the user computer is always after latency has affected the connection speed thus latency is already factored into that download connection speed.

    This coupled with the rest of your post further confirms that not only are you confirmation biased and have a reading comprehension issue but the only thing you want to do is execute your agenda of spreading your false information,  BS, lies, harassment, in childish attempts to disparage and discredit. This is a continuation of your agenda in your previous attempts and you were proven a liar then by your buddy in doing what you were trying to do when he basically admitted it was all a lie and intentionally executed for purposes of spreading false information, BS, lies, harassment, and childish attempts to disparage and discredit.

    I'm still waiting for you to show me a "published opinion from an independent third-party network engineer" that proves speed test sites are not useless for testing connection speed on VPN and that such provides a verifiable true result reading on VPN. You have been claiming how wrong I am so surely, since you set the requirement that there must be a "published opinion from an independent third-party network engineer", to discuss this matter or present information for the subject you must have that "published opinion from an independent third-party network engineer" that proves speed test sites are not useless for testing connection speed on VPN and that such provides a verifiable true result reading on VPN. You do have one of those don't you?

    Here's what you need to do: Since you live at home with your parents and are between the ages of 13 to 16, you need to go cry to your mommy.    
    How mature you must think yourself. You only bring out the worst in everyone. Please leave these forums forever. I actually was going to highlight each and every insult you bundled into this post, but that would be the whole damned post. You are beyond worthless here if this is all you live for. Can you even live without constant arguments? Have you even tried?
  • lrryie said:
    OmniNegro said:
    lrryie said:
    OmniNegro said:
    I need to point out that Omninegro is not being rational. He used to be irryie's biggest fan and cheerleader. Irryie would destroy Robert Lazar many times and each time omni was right there to worship Irryie and cheer him on. So it is a mystery to me why Omninegro now hates Irryie.
    I was never a fan and most certainly not a cheerleader. I never once in my entire life worshiped any Human. And in case you think that you understand things, let me be clear. I never said that I hate Irryie either.

    I enjoyed some of the posts he has made, and I hated some of them. That is all. At this point I am starting to wonder if the reason Irryie is seemingly unable to tell you to stop "worshipping" him is that you two are one and the same.

    And I am not the only one wondering who is who.

    Nonetheless I am still waiting on not only the five documents you requested to supposedly prove that PIA had done something I will not mention, and also the proof that supposedly exists in this very thread that was supposedly posted by Irryie.

    Get to work or stay out of this.
    that in bold and highlighted yellow:

    1. It wouldn't do any good and you know that.

    2. wonder no more, I am not him

    3. You've been waiting needlessly because the proof was posted. Its on the speed test sites their self in plain view, and I outlined why speed test sites are useless for testing connection speed on VPN and in doing so highlighted that plain view proof. If one is not able to make the connection between that in plain view on the speed test sites and connection speed measurement using those sites on VPN that's not my fault.

    Anyway, I will recap in outline because it seems some are not able to see the connection;

    It is a fact that speed test sites can't test the most important part of a VPN users 'connection speed' which is about 90% of the VPN users connection path. There is not one single mathematical calculation on earth that can be used to calculate a whole quantity if 90% of that whole quantity is missing, for example of what I mean, one can not fill a gallon bucket 10% full and then say its 100% a whole gallon by any calculation because 90% of that whole gallon is missing. That's the case with speed test sites, that path between the VPN user computer and the VPN network exit to the internet comprises about 90% of the VPN user connection path for the VPN network with the other about 10% being the VPN network server (through the VPN network and that VPN server) exit to the internet. Connection speed is always relative to the end point and on VPN that tunnel endpoint is the VPN network server that assigned the VPN IP address. A speed test site can only test to the IP origination point and on VPN that IP origination point for a VPN user (among many others in a shared VPN IP address system which have the same assigned VPN IP address - OpenVPN networks are shared IP networks thus PIA is a shared IP network) is the VPN network server that assigned the VPN IP address and not the users system behind the VPN. The actual path to the VPN user system back though the VPN network is unable to be discovered by design (its a security feature) from the internet side and all speed test sites actually originate the test from the speed test site (the internet side) thus the test pings for latency are not able to discover the actual path to a VPN user system back through the VPN so are unable to be used for measurement of path latency on VPN for about 90% of the path of the VPN connection. A path that is not discoverable can not be tested. So the only thing the speed test site is able to measure for path latency is the external internet path between the speed test site and the VPN network IP origination point which on VPN is the server that assigned the VPN IP address, that is what VPN users are seeing in the speed test site results and that is not the connection speed for any of those VPN IP address users but rather what is left at that VPN network server after being divided among those VPN IP address users.     

    That latency part of a connection speed calculation is required, it is impossible to calculate connection speed without taking into account path delay of packets which is latency, the more delay the less the connection speed to an end point.

    Connection speed is basically how fast your data packets move through the bandwidth range supplied by your ISP and is always relative to the end point, even on VPN. If those data packets are delayed it slows down connection speed to the end point. ~20 ms latency is ~15% of peak connection speed and ~10% of average connection speed. There is not one single ISP network connection in the world that when connecting to an end point via the internet will not experience at least a minimum of 20 ms latency and when the total path latency is added up that 20 ms latency is going to become greater for the whole path and inversely affect a big chunk of connection speed. That latency needs to be taken into account in a connection speed calculation and if 90% of the path is not able to be measured for latency one will never arrive at a useful result, a calculation that can not calculate a whole quantity is useless if you want to know what the whole quantity is, speed test sites are useless for testing connection speed on VPN. Plus there is an up to ~15% inherent loss (variable) in connection speed through the VPN network and the speed test site can't test that either.

    So people can stay steeped in the myth and confirmation bias that speed test sites are useful for testing connection speed on VPN all that want and continue to expend countless hours trying to compare ones speed test site reading for VPN connection speed to another all they want. The results will never be useful or correct on VPN even if the results seem to be where a user thinks they should be or are coincidentally the same or similar/comparable to a non-VPN test.
    How nice of you to post a wall of text to a post made to your other personality.

    You have still not proven one single solitary thing. Saying you have over and over will not make it so. You can post a link to actual proof. But using partial metaphors that do not cover all the subject will always be rejected.

    And your repeated filabuster technique will also fail. I do not care how many words you use. Using more words to explain a simple concept only proves you lack an adequate understanding of the English language to say it in a way that makes sense.

    Speaking to you seems to be more of a waste of time than speaking with your other personalities like UBob.

    So to heck with this "discussion".

    Here I will start anew and not address the clones at all.

    The only reliable speed test I have ever found is a properly configured torrent client using a single, well seeded torrent like a Linux ISO image. Period.

    It works on every system regardless of the speed of the connection, and even if the VPN fails for some reason, Linux is free to share.
    like i've already said, and obviously you have a hard time understanding; If you do not like my posts then do not read them, reply to them, reference them or in anyway use them.

    It looks like you and your lover tomeworm have decided to put your previous "BS, lies, harassment, in childish attempts to disparage and discredit" band back together.
    What the *Expletive Deleted* is wrong with you? Why must you harass everyone who ever disagrees with you? You accuse me an another forum member of being lovers for what reason? Purely because you think it adds insult value and you think PIA will not act to ban you for it. Guess what? Wrong. Popular opinion is how businesses stay in business.

    You do not have to be insulting. You choose to be. That is not right. You need help. Please seek professional help. Not for me. Do it for you. Do it for others around you.

    And since I doubt you will do that, please take your own advice and leave my posts alone. Especially when they were never directed at you. You have no reason to pick a fight with me. Just move on and live a life without a fight here.
  • lrryie said:

    I'm still waiting for you to show me a "published opinion from an independent third-party network engineer" that proves speed test sites are not useless for testing connection speed on VPN and that such provides a verifiable true result reading on VPN. You have been claiming how wrong I am so surely, since you set the requirement that there must be a "published opinion from an independent third-party network engineer", to discuss this matter or present information for the subject you must have that "published opinion from an independent third-party network engineer" that proves speed test sites are not useless for testing connection speed on VPN and that such provides a verifiable true result reading on VPN. You do have one of those don't you?
                    
    I thought you said you were an attorney, or at least you were an attorney for a brief period of your life before you were terminated by Google. I'm sure you must have studied logical fallacies in college. But the point of studying logical fallacies isn't so you can figure out how to use them, but so that you don't use them because they make you look like an idiot. What do you suppose would happen to you if you were to use this form of logical fallacy in a court room? That's right -- the entire court would burst out in laughter.

    The logical fallacy you've employed here is called "burden of proof." It's one of the most obvious logical fallacies and, therefore, is seldom ever attempted because it's so obviously a logical fallacy. In other words only a fool would ever employ it because only an idiot would ever fall for it.

    No, lrryie, the logical burden of proof is entirely on you since you are the one who made the accusation that online speed tests are "useless." You've flailed about in a dramatic display of desperation in an attempt to prove your argument but, so far, you've proved nothing other than to further substantiate your own ignorance. You only confirm the impotence and circular reasoning of your argument by now, in desperation, grasping at this last straw of a logical fallacy.

    You're ship is hulled and going down fast. Time to man the life boats.
  • Since this thread is irrecoverably derailed because Irryie cannot cooperate with anyone other than robert_lazar, I am flagging his posts. I encourage everyone else to take part in this. Here is what I am flagging these few posts with.

    "This must end. He is accusing myself and another forum user of being lovers, being liars and a plethora of other such things. He does this purely to harass us, just as he accuses us of harassing him. This is not right and must stop."

    Paraphrase it to fit your own opinions, and take a stand to get rid of the most annoying person ever to be on these forums. Thanks in advance.
  • lrryie said:
    OmniNegro said:
    lrryie said:
    OmniNegro said:
    I need to point out that Omninegro is not being rational. He used to be irryie's biggest fan and cheerleader. Irryie would destroy Robert Lazar many times and each time omni was right there to worship Irryie and cheer him on. So it is a mystery to me why Omninegro now hates Irryie.
    I was never a fan and most certainly not a cheerleader. I never once in my entire life worshiped any Human. And in case you think that you understand things, let me be clear. I never said that I hate Irryie either.

    I enjoyed some of the posts he has made, and I hated some of them. That is all. At this point I am starting to wonder if the reason Irryie is seemingly unable to tell you to stop "worshipping" him is that you two are one and the same.

    And I am not the only one wondering who is who.

    Nonetheless I am still waiting on not only the five documents you requested to supposedly prove that PIA had done something I will not mention, and also the proof that supposedly exists in this very thread that was supposedly posted by Irryie.

    Get to work or stay out of this.
    that in bold and highlighted yellow:

    1. It wouldn't do any good and you know that.

    2. wonder no more, I am not him

    3. You've been waiting needlessly because the proof was posted. Its on the speed test sites their self in plain view, and I outlined why speed test sites are useless for testing connection speed on VPN and in doing so highlighted that plain view proof. If one is not able to make the connection between that in plain view on the speed test sites and connection speed measurement using those sites on VPN that's not my fault.

    Anyway, I will recap in outline because it seems some are not able to see the connection;

    It is a fact that speed test sites can't test the most important part of a VPN users 'connection speed' which is about 90% of the VPN users connection path. There is not one single mathematical calculation on earth that can be used to calculate a whole quantity if 90% of that whole quantity is missing, for example of what I mean, one can not fill a gallon bucket 10% full and then say its 100% a whole gallon by any calculation because 90% of that whole gallon is missing. That's the case with speed test sites, that path between the VPN user computer and the VPN network exit to the internet comprises about 90% of the VPN user connection path for the VPN network with the other about 10% being the VPN network server (through the VPN network and that VPN server) exit to the internet. Connection speed is always relative to the end point and on VPN that tunnel endpoint is the VPN network server that assigned the VPN IP address. A speed test site can only test to the IP origination point and on VPN that IP origination point for a VPN user (among many others in a shared VPN IP address system which have the same assigned VPN IP address - OpenVPN networks are shared IP networks thus PIA is a shared IP network) is the VPN network server that assigned the VPN IP address and not the users system behind the VPN. The actual path to the VPN user system back though the VPN network is unable to be discovered by design (its a security feature) from the internet side and all speed test sites actually originate the test from the speed test site (the internet side) thus the test pings for latency are not able to discover the actual path to a VPN user system back through the VPN so are unable to be used for measurement of path latency on VPN for about 90% of the path of the VPN connection. A path that is not discoverable can not be tested. So the only thing the speed test site is able to measure for path latency is the external internet path between the speed test site and the VPN network IP origination point which on VPN is the server that assigned the VPN IP address, that is what VPN users are seeing in the speed test site results and that is not the connection speed for any of those VPN IP address users but rather what is left at that VPN network server after being divided among those VPN IP address users.     

    That latency part of a connection speed calculation is required, it is impossible to calculate connection speed without taking into account path delay of packets which is latency, the more delay the less the connection speed to an end point.

    Connection speed is basically how fast your data packets move through the bandwidth range supplied by your ISP and is always relative to the end point, even on VPN. If those data packets are delayed it slows down connection speed to the end point. ~20 ms latency is ~15% of peak connection speed and ~10% of average connection speed. There is not one single ISP network connection in the world that when connecting to an end point via the internet will not experience at least a minimum of 20 ms latency and when the total path latency is added up that 20 ms latency is going to become greater for the whole path and inversely affect a big chunk of connection speed. That latency needs to be taken into account in a connection speed calculation and if 90% of the path is not able to be measured for latency one will never arrive at a useful result, a calculation that can not calculate a whole quantity is useless if you want to know what the whole quantity is, speed test sites are useless for testing connection speed on VPN. Plus there is an up to ~15% inherent loss (variable) in connection speed through the VPN network and the speed test site can't test that either.

    So people can stay steeped in the myth and confirmation bias that speed test sites are useful for testing connection speed on VPN all that want and continue to expend countless hours trying to compare ones speed test site reading for VPN connection speed to another all they want. The results will never be useful or correct on VPN even if the results seem to be where a user thinks they should be or are coincidentally the same or similar/comparable to a non-VPN test.
    How nice of you to post a wall of text to a post made to your other personality.

    You have still not proven one single solitary thing. Saying you have over and over will not make it so. You can post a link to actual proof. But using partial metaphors that do not cover all the subject will always be rejected.

    And your repeated filabuster technique will also fail. I do not care how many words you use. Using more words to explain a simple concept only proves you lack an adequate understanding of the English language to say it in a way that makes sense.

    Speaking to you seems to be more of a waste of time than speaking with your other personalities like UBob.

    So to heck with this "discussion".

    Here I will start anew and not address the clones at all.

    The only reliable speed test I have ever found is a properly configured torrent client using a single, well seeded torrent like a Linux ISO image. Period.

    It works on every system regardless of the speed of the connection, and even if the VPN fails for some reason, Linux is free to share.
    I have no other alias accounts for the forum, period.

    You are really obsessed with 'UBob'. Do you also have erotic dreams of you and UBob together or did UBob jilt you? People with Bipolar Disorder, a psychotic disorder, have obsessive thoughts about something or other people.

    Like i've already said, and obviously you have a hard time understanding; If you do not like my posts then do not read them, reply to them, reference them or in anyway use them.

    It looks like you and your lover tomeworm have decided to put your previous "BS, lies, harassment, in childish attempts to disparage and discredit" band back together.
    You edited your post to this. Too late.

    So are you a psychologist too now? Should we refer to you as Doctor Irryie? If not, then you cannot say what Bi-Polar disorder even means in a general sense, much less in a particular case.

    And just in case you missed this, you do not own your posts here. These forums belong to London Trust Media. Your posts are also part of the forum and are owned by LTM. You can rage about everyone who replies to you, but you are no more an owner of the content of the posts than anyone else here.
  • lrryie said:
    OmniNegro said:
    lrryie said:
    OmniNegro said:
    I need to point out that Omninegro is not being rational. He used to be irryie's biggest fan and cheerleader. Irryie would destroy Robert Lazar many times and each time omni was right there to worship Irryie and cheer him on. So it is a mystery to me why Omninegro now hates Irryie.
    I was never a fan and most certainly not a cheerleader. I never once in my entire life worshiped any Human. And in case you think that you understand things, let me be clear. I never said that I hate Irryie either.

    I enjoyed some of the posts he has made, and I hated some of them. That is all. At this point I am starting to wonder if the reason Irryie is seemingly unable to tell you to stop "worshipping" him is that you two are one and the same.

    And I am not the only one wondering who is who.

    Nonetheless I am still waiting on not only the five documents you requested to supposedly prove that PIA had done something I will not mention, and also the proof that supposedly exists in this very thread that was supposedly posted by Irryie.

    Get to work or stay out of this.
    that in bold and highlighted yellow:

    1. It wouldn't do any good and you know that.

    2. wonder no more, I am not him

    3. You've been waiting needlessly because the proof was posted. Its on the speed test sites their self in plain view, and I outlined why speed test sites are useless for testing connection speed on VPN and in doing so highlighted that plain view proof. If one is not able to make the connection between that in plain view on the speed test sites and connection speed measurement using those sites on VPN that's not my fault.

    Anyway, I will recap in outline because it seems some are not able to see the connection;

    It is a fact that speed test sites can't test the most important part of a VPN users 'connection speed' which is about 90% of the VPN users connection path. There is not one single mathematical calculation on earth that can be used to calculate a whole quantity if 90% of that whole quantity is missing, for example of what I mean, one can not fill a gallon bucket 10% full and then say its 100% a whole gallon by any calculation because 90% of that whole gallon is missing. That's the case with speed test sites, that path between the VPN user computer and the VPN network exit to the internet comprises about 90% of the VPN user connection path for the VPN network with the other about 10% being the VPN network server (through the VPN network and that VPN server) exit to the internet. Connection speed is always relative to the end point and on VPN that tunnel endpoint is the VPN network server that assigned the VPN IP address. A speed test site can only test to the IP origination point and on VPN that IP origination point for a VPN user (among many others in a shared VPN IP address system which have the same assigned VPN IP address - OpenVPN networks are shared IP networks thus PIA is a shared IP network) is the VPN network server that assigned the VPN IP address and not the users system behind the VPN. The actual path to the VPN user system back though the VPN network is unable to be discovered by design (its a security feature) from the internet side and all speed test sites actually originate the test from the speed test site (the internet side) thus the test pings for latency are not able to discover the actual path to a VPN user system back through the VPN so are unable to be used for measurement of path latency on VPN for about 90% of the path of the VPN connection. A path that is not discoverable can not be tested. So the only thing the speed test site is able to measure for path latency is the external internet path between the speed test site and the VPN network IP origination point which on VPN is the server that assigned the VPN IP address, that is what VPN users are seeing in the speed test site results and that is not the connection speed for any of those VPN IP address users but rather what is left at that VPN network server after being divided among those VPN IP address users.     

    That latency part of a connection speed calculation is required, it is impossible to calculate connection speed without taking into account path delay of packets which is latency, the more delay the less the connection speed to an end point.

    Connection speed is basically how fast your data packets move through the bandwidth range supplied by your ISP and is always relative to the end point, even on VPN. If those data packets are delayed it slows down connection speed to the end point. ~20 ms latency is ~15% of peak connection speed and ~10% of average connection speed. There is not one single ISP network connection in the world that when connecting to an end point via the internet will not experience at least a minimum of 20 ms latency and when the total path latency is added up that 20 ms latency is going to become greater for the whole path and inversely affect a big chunk of connection speed. That latency needs to be taken into account in a connection speed calculation and if 90% of the path is not able to be measured for latency one will never arrive at a useful result, a calculation that can not calculate a whole quantity is useless if you want to know what the whole quantity is, speed test sites are useless for testing connection speed on VPN. Plus there is an up to ~15% inherent loss (variable) in connection speed through the VPN network and the speed test site can't test that either.

    So people can stay steeped in the myth and confirmation bias that speed test sites are useful for testing connection speed on VPN all that want and continue to expend countless hours trying to compare ones speed test site reading for VPN connection speed to another all they want. The results will never be useful or correct on VPN even if the results seem to be where a user thinks they should be or are coincidentally the same or similar/comparable to a non-VPN test.
    How nice of you to post a wall of text to a post made to your other personality.

    You have still not proven one single solitary thing. Saying you have over and over will not make it so. You can post a link to actual proof. But using partial metaphors that do not cover all the subject will always be rejected.

    And your repeated filabuster technique will also fail. I do not care how many words you use. Using more words to explain a simple concept only proves you lack an adequate understanding of the English language to say it in a way that makes sense.

    Speaking to you seems to be more of a waste of time than speaking with your other personalities like UBob.

    So to heck with this "discussion".

    Here I will start anew and not address the clones at all.

    The only reliable speed test I have ever found is a properly configured torrent client using a single, well seeded torrent like a Linux ISO image. Period.

    It works on every system regardless of the speed of the connection, and even if the VPN fails for some reason, Linux is free to share.
    I have no other alias accounts for the forum, period.

    You are really obsessed with 'UBob'. Do you also have erotic dreams of you and UBob together or did UBob jilt you? People with Bipolar Disorder, a psychosis disorder, have obsessive thoughts about something or other people and always over react in someway to a situation. Since you have previously on the forum told us that you have Bipolar Disorder, a psychosis disorder and psychosis is the presence of hallucinations and/or delusions, I'm just going to credit your post to a psychotic episode. You are probably not taking your anti-psychotic medication or the dosage is wrong so you need to check with your mental health care giver and professional. tomeworm exhibits some of the same psychosis symptoms you do in his posts, and he and you both are obsessed with me and my posts. 

    Like i've already said, and obviously you have a hard time understanding; If you do not like my posts then do not read them, reply to them, reference them or in anyway use them.

    It looks like you and your lover tomeworm have decided to put your previous "BS, lies, harassment, in childish attempts to disparage and discredit" band back together.
    Wow. A third full rewrite in just a few more minutes? Firekitty must be keeping you busy.

    Are you aware that you are right now exhibiting signs of a very strong mania phase like someone with Bi-Polar disorder would have?

    And again, despite this being the same post, since you rewrote it again, I will mention that you are not a Doctor, and you do not own any posts here, not even your own.
  • lrryie said:
    OmniNegro said:
    lrryie said:
    OmniNegro said:
    lrryie said:
    OmniNegro said:
    I need to point out that Omninegro is not being rational. He used to be irryie's biggest fan and cheerleader. Irryie would destroy Robert Lazar many times and each time omni was right there to worship Irryie and cheer him on. So it is a mystery to me why Omninegro now hates Irryie.
    I was never a fan and most certainly not a cheerleader. I never once in my entire life worshiped any Human. And in case you think that you understand things, let me be clear. I never said that I hate Irryie either.

    I enjoyed some of the posts he has made, and I hated some of them. That is all. At this point I am starting to wonder if the reason Irryie is seemingly unable to tell you to stop "worshipping" him is that you two are one and the same.

    And I am not the only one wondering who is who.

    Nonetheless I am still waiting on not only the five documents you requested to supposedly prove that PIA had done something I will not mention, and also the proof that supposedly exists in this very thread that was supposedly posted by Irryie.

    Get to work or stay out of this.
    that in bold and highlighted yellow:

    1. It wouldn't do any good and you know that.

    2. wonder no more, I am not him

    3. You've been waiting needlessly because the proof was posted. Its on the speed test sites their self in plain view, and I outlined why speed test sites are useless for testing connection speed on VPN and in doing so highlighted that plain view proof. If one is not able to make the connection between that in plain view on the speed test sites and connection speed measurement using those sites on VPN that's not my fault.

    Anyway, I will recap in outline because it seems some are not able to see the connection;

    It is a fact that speed test sites can't test the most important part of a VPN users 'connection speed' which is about 90% of the VPN users connection path. There is not one single mathematical calculation on earth that can be used to calculate a whole quantity if 90% of that whole quantity is missing, for example of what I mean, one can not fill a gallon bucket 10% full and then say its 100% a whole gallon by any calculation because 90% of that whole gallon is missing. That's the case with speed test sites, that path between the VPN user computer and the VPN network exit to the internet comprises about 90% of the VPN user connection path for the VPN network with the other about 10% being the VPN network server (through the VPN network and that VPN server) exit to the internet. Connection speed is always relative to the end point and on VPN that tunnel endpoint is the VPN network server that assigned the VPN IP address. A speed test site can only test to the IP origination point and on VPN that IP origination point for a VPN user (among many others in a shared VPN IP address system which have the same assigned VPN IP address - OpenVPN networks are shared IP networks thus PIA is a shared IP network) is the VPN network server that assigned the VPN IP address and not the users system behind the VPN. The actual path to the VPN user system back though the VPN network is unable to be discovered by design (its a security feature) from the internet side and all speed test sites actually originate the test from the speed test site (the internet side) thus the test pings for latency are not able to discover the actual path to a VPN user system back through the VPN so are unable to be used for measurement of path latency on VPN for about 90% of the path of the VPN connection. A path that is not discoverable can not be tested. So the only thing the speed test site is able to measure for path latency is the external internet path between the speed test site and the VPN network IP origination point which on VPN is the server that assigned the VPN IP address, that is what VPN users are seeing in the speed test site results and that is not the connection speed for any of those VPN IP address users but rather what is left at that VPN network server after being divided among those VPN IP address users.     

    That latency part of a connection speed calculation is required, it is impossible to calculate connection speed without taking into account path delay of packets which is latency, the more delay the less the connection speed to an end point.

    Connection speed is basically how fast your data packets move through the bandwidth range supplied by your ISP and is always relative to the end point, even on VPN. If those data packets are delayed it slows down connection speed to the end point. ~20 ms latency is ~15% of peak connection speed and ~10% of average connection speed. There is not one single ISP network connection in the world that when connecting to an end point via the internet will not experience at least a minimum of 20 ms latency and when the total path latency is added up that 20 ms latency is going to become greater for the whole path and inversely affect a big chunk of connection speed. That latency needs to be taken into account in a connection speed calculation and if 90% of the path is not able to be measured for latency one will never arrive at a useful result, a calculation that can not calculate a whole quantity is useless if you want to know what the whole quantity is, speed test sites are useless for testing connection speed on VPN. Plus there is an up to ~15% inherent loss (variable) in connection speed through the VPN network and the speed test site can't test that either.

    So people can stay steeped in the myth and confirmation bias that speed test sites are useful for testing connection speed on VPN all that want and continue to expend countless hours trying to compare ones speed test site reading for VPN connection speed to another all they want. The results will never be useful or correct on VPN even if the results seem to be where a user thinks they should be or are coincidentally the same or similar/comparable to a non-VPN test.
    How nice of you to post a wall of text to a post made to your other personality.

    You have still not proven one single solitary thing. Saying you have over and over will not make it so. You can post a link to actual proof. But using partial metaphors that do not cover all the subject will always be rejected.

    And your repeated filabuster technique will also fail. I do not care how many words you use. Using more words to explain a simple concept only proves you lack an adequate understanding of the English language to say it in a way that makes sense.

    Speaking to you seems to be more of a waste of time than speaking with your other personalities like UBob.

    So to heck with this "discussion".

    Here I will start anew and not address the clones at all.

    The only reliable speed test I have ever found is a properly configured torrent client using a single, well seeded torrent like a Linux ISO image. Period.

    It works on every system regardless of the speed of the connection, and even if the VPN fails for some reason, Linux is free to share.
    like i've already said, and obviously you have a hard time understanding; If you do not like my posts then do not read them, reply to them, reference them or in anyway use them.

    It looks like you and your lover tomeworm have decided to put your previous "BS, lies, harassment, in childish attempts to disparage and discredit" band back together.
    What the *Expletive Deleted* is wrong with you? Why must you harass everyone who ever disagrees with you? You accuse me an another forum member of being lovers for what reason? Purely because you think it adds insult value and you think PIA will not act to ban you for it. Guess what? Wrong. Popular opinion is how businesses stay in business.

    You do not have to be insulting. You choose to be. That is not right. You need help. Please seek professional help. Not for me. Do it for you. Do it for others around you.

    And since I doubt you will do that, please take your own advice and leave my posts alone. Especially when they were never directed at you. You have no reason to pick a fight with me. Just move on and live a life without a fight here.
    disingenuous, false information, not true, BS, lies, harassment, in childish attempts to disparage and discredit.

    I didn't pick an "fight" with you - you are the one that jumped into this thread and started addressing me as did your lover tomeworm - you two started this and derailed this thread with your disingenuous posting, false information, BS, lies, harassment, in childish attempts to disparage and discredit, and like I told you before only you two can end it by not reading my posts, not replying to them, or referencing them or in anyway using them, If you want it to stop its within your control by doing that. But you and tomeworm don't want it to stop, the psychosis disorder you two have prevents you from not giving into the obsession you two have with me and my posts thus you continue your disingenuous posting, false information, BS, lies, harassment, in childish attempts to disparage and discredit.  
    You know this post itself retains a log of who replied to who. I did *NOT* reply to you. I replied to robert_lazar. So unless you want to come clean and admit that you and he are the same person, then you are actually being disingenuous about the whole thing.

    Really. Look at it. You sought me out. Not the reverse. And I have yet to accuse you of having a "erotic dream" nor have I accused you of being a lover of anyone. You are the villain here. Cease and desist. Or be prepared. PIA cannot stay out of your disregard for the rules and common social etiquette forever.
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