PIA - You are the threat
As requested by sn0wmonster here > https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/forum/discussion/comment/52123/#Comment_52123 < this thread with the below.
This > https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/forum/discussion/comment/52116/#Comment_52116
You call them concerns. I'm not sure which planet you live on but its not concerns, here on planet earth its downright criminal for the most part. PIA uses false pseudo logic in their responses to defend or portray something that not true, makes disingenuous and false statements, and plays word and semantics games to portray and defend their disingenuous and false statements, and is deceptive in their dealings with customers. Then you waltz in sounding like a sleazy used car sales man and adopt a condescending tone and post that which is not true all the while trying to some how relate it to trust when you made deceptive and disingenuous and false statements in your post in that thread as I outlined here > https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/forum/discussion/comment/52116/#Comment_52116
Then in this post in that thread:
You want people to do your job for you. Then you want a person who obviously will not be back to come back and hold your hand and point out specifics to you when its right in front of you and already in the forum.
You want to talk about "trust", you want to talk about "threat models" and OPSEC - then PIA what you have actually done in these latest postings from you is finally admit and endorsed that PIA is the threat. A threat to customer trust, a threat to customer confidence, and a threat to customer relations. Then you essentially tell the person that his decision would be wrong if its not based on a "threat model". Its obvious from his post his decision was based upon that in the below quoted:
"Although I appreciate your response, I do not have a really good feeling about Private Internet Access. I've since explored more fully. Judging from the interaction of Private Internet Access employees in these forums, it seems there is a lot of "over enthusiastic" word play and semantics games and some disingenuous statements or sentiment that Private Internet Access employs. Private Internet Access also seems to treat its customers very rudely and disingenuously if they bring up something like that in the thread about the "prove" thing. Customers should not be treated this way, and they should be able to voice their complaints and lack of satisfaction with the product or the company support without being attacked or shut down or forum banned by Private Internet Access.
I think i'll go with another VPN."
Which state some of the very things you actually did in your condescending post as I replied to here > https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/forum/discussion/comment/52116/#Comment_52116
The reply from PIAJayson in that thread was enough, the person had already made his decision and left and there was nothing else to be said. His decision was based upon that he posted and that's already in the forum and public. Then you jump into the thread with your posting about "trust" and "threat models" and OPSEC, and then make false and disingenuous statements.
Those are the reasons upon which he based his decision, and you validated his decision as the correct one by your post. His "threat model" was that PIA is a threat to his trust and treatment as a customer (if he were to become a PIA customer) and you proved it and validated it for him.
PIA, you have become the threat.
This > https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/forum/discussion/comment/52116/#Comment_52116
You call them concerns. I'm not sure which planet you live on but its not concerns, here on planet earth its downright criminal for the most part. PIA uses false pseudo logic in their responses to defend or portray something that not true, makes disingenuous and false statements, and plays word and semantics games to portray and defend their disingenuous and false statements, and is deceptive in their dealings with customers. Then you waltz in sounding like a sleazy used car sales man and adopt a condescending tone and post that which is not true all the while trying to some how relate it to trust when you made deceptive and disingenuous and false statements in your post in that thread as I outlined here > https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/forum/discussion/comment/52116/#Comment_52116
Then in this post in that thread:
You want people to do your job for you. Then you want a person who obviously will not be back to come back and hold your hand and point out specifics to you when its right in front of you and already in the forum.
You want to talk about "trust", you want to talk about "threat models" and OPSEC - then PIA what you have actually done in these latest postings from you is finally admit and endorsed that PIA is the threat. A threat to customer trust, a threat to customer confidence, and a threat to customer relations. Then you essentially tell the person that his decision would be wrong if its not based on a "threat model". Its obvious from his post his decision was based upon that in the below quoted:
"Although I appreciate your response, I do not have a really good feeling about Private Internet Access. I've since explored more fully. Judging from the interaction of Private Internet Access employees in these forums, it seems there is a lot of "over enthusiastic" word play and semantics games and some disingenuous statements or sentiment that Private Internet Access employs. Private Internet Access also seems to treat its customers very rudely and disingenuously if they bring up something like that in the thread about the "prove" thing. Customers should not be treated this way, and they should be able to voice their complaints and lack of satisfaction with the product or the company support without being attacked or shut down or forum banned by Private Internet Access.
I think i'll go with another VPN."
Which state some of the very things you actually did in your condescending post as I replied to here > https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/forum/discussion/comment/52116/#Comment_52116
The reply from PIAJayson in that thread was enough, the person had already made his decision and left and there was nothing else to be said. His decision was based upon that he posted and that's already in the forum and public. Then you jump into the thread with your posting about "trust" and "threat models" and OPSEC, and then make false and disingenuous statements.
Those are the reasons upon which he based his decision, and you validated his decision as the correct one by your post. His "threat model" was that PIA is a threat to his trust and treatment as a customer (if he were to become a PIA customer) and you proved it and validated it for him.
PIA, you have become the threat.
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Comments
I've read your claims and criticisms and appreciate taking the time to post them. While I remind you that you're free on this private forum to have your own opinions and speak your mind (as long as it's on-topic and not disruptive to the thread in question), I absolutely and wholeheartedly disagree with your accusations. I've only ever seen you posting in two threads, and both times your claims were demonstrably and patently false.
The first was claiming that it's it's an "illegal threat" for a mod of PIA private forums to warn a customer to not post abusively or otherwise be banned. This absurdity showed me that you have a very poor understanding of legal theory. Still, rather than silence what might have contained positive criticisms for clearly misrepresenting the facts, I kept your posts alive to ensure that your opinions were given a voice.
The second, this being a complaint that my open and transparent, direct approach to a user honestly concerned about their privacy was somehow disingenuous and some form of admission of guilt (when I'd argue most balanced individuals would clearly see it was genuine and entirely to the benefit of the user). This one is a bit insulting and frankly ridiculous, but I'm keeping your critcisms alive in that thread as well to, again, make sure the opposing viewpoint has had a voice.
I don't think you've been fair to attack people trying to make a difference, and you've clearly mistaken honesty with some secret agenda. While I can't speak for what issues you had in the past with PIA, being part of a solution requires more than just endless streams of accusations and assumptions, and at this point it honestly appears your agenda is to just "be heard" and not necessarily to be productive.
Due to the disproportionate noise-to-signal ratio in your posts, if you truly do want to be taken seriously (I hope so), I would recommend discussing your issues one at a time and not bunching it all into a seething rage-post full of assumptions. Consider this response to mean I am aware of your criticisms and also your first warning to be a more productive, abuse-free participant on the forums.
sn0w
You asked me to post this thread with the very content you desired which I did.
Now you attempt to discredit and throw in even more disingenuous crap and then threaten: "Consider this response to mean I am aware of your criticisms and also your first warning in productive, abuse-free participation on the forums." < then threaten me with some type of childish warning because you don't like me posting just what you asked for?
You people throw around threats like it really means something. Someone is critical of PIA they get threatened - someone complains about support they get threatened - someone posts what PIA does not like they get threatened - someone exposes a lie PIA told they get threatened. Then someone posts just what PIA (you) asked them to post and guess what, they get threatened. Yep, its obvious PIA is biased against anyone who would dare to say anything PIA doesn't like. PIA likes its sheep calm and obedient, PIA adores the worship they get from the people they are lying to, and if someone does not show them worship and dares to be critical of them they get threatened.
Thanks once again for showing PIA's true colors.
Like I posted above - PIA you are the threat.
Of course now comes locking this thread, or removing posts, or forum banning so as to leave a pro-PIA only impression
Tell ya what you can do with your threat - shove it.
I had hoped you'd focus on tangible complaints such as your previous ones for customer support responses (which I believe are resolved for the most part as of late but I'm still monitoring the situation) when I originally asked you to post. I saw some good bits of criticism that I believed should be discussed openly and allow other users to respond on-topic, but it appears you are more interested in this unproductive direction of assumptions and abuse.
.> because you don't like me posting just what you asked for?
You're confused. You're free to post a thread, and you're free to remain constructive and unabusive in other peoples' threads as well. I am not required to agree with your opinions despite being inclined to hear them out. In case there was some confusion, my first warning was regarding your abusiveness in other peoples' threads, I'm just posting it here for convenience as it's more on-topic.
> Tell ya what you can do with your warning - shove it.
Consider this a second warning of your abusive behavior. You can be constructive without it and anyone genuinely concerned for privacy would make all efforts to be for the betterment of everyone involved.
You still don't get it. Its is for the betterment of everyone that PIA's word play and semantics games, disingenuous statements or sentiment, and falsehoods are exposed. The only way to do that is to simply say it outright and that's what I have done.
You want nice then run to your mama, because in the real world when people do as PIA and you have done in being dishonest with people there are consequences and they are not nice and they include being called out on it just as I have done in the language and tone i've used. Your were critically deceptive and dishonest, I replied critically pointing that out, and now you are upset that you got caught.
If you want respect you have to earn it, you haven't. You don't get to waltz in, be dishonest, then threaten when you get caught, and then claim some sort of dis-respectfulness as a defense for getting caught being dishonest.
Now you try to indirectly say I am not, or someone else would not be, "concerned for privacy" because these things are pointed out. You don't get it, what PIA has done directly impacts that "privacy", the very thing your lied about and now try to downplay. Your mad because you got you and PIA caught once again being dishonest with people.
You sit there in your arrogance thinking you are some sort of authority figure that can throw threats around to somehow scare people into doing what you want, now you do it because you got exactly what you asked for just not in a way that worships you.
Ok then, take your second threat and shove it.
As for your subjective opinions, at this point we'll just have to agree to disagree, but I commend you for standing up for what you believe is right regardless.
> Ok then, take your second warning and shove it.
Another example of an unnecessary bit of abuse. Consider this your third and final warning.
For other users who want their threads, posts and account removed, know that you don't have to push a moderator to ban you, you can just request it and we'll happily oblige.
There were no baseless accusations from me, its all right there in your own words in your own post and is not "subjective opinion" at all as its right there in your own words.
PIA is the threat.
You were disrespectful and insulting to not only the public at large who can view these forums but PIA customers as well, with your dishonesty and falsehoods.
Now you come back in threat with "Consider this your third and final warning", and I suppose your trying to defuse the situation trying to look like the good guy. But then this threat and the word and semantics games you play here and the "we'll just have to agree to disagree" thing is just another way of trying to assert dominate authority of some type, its basic managerial training 101 technique crap to try and assert dominance. Even this "effort" from you is not sincere and is disingenuous. Can't you even be honest with yourself?
"Consider this your third and final warning" - ohhhh i'm so sacred, what will I ever do without the PIA forums.. woe is me...
Child, I'm not one of your sheep, shove your third and final threat
Mate, you behave like a child and clearly have no debating skills.
Some of the initial points you made in the other thread had some semblance of coherent arguments, but now you are just acting like an utter twat to someone who has tried to communicate and listen to you and has more sway than most here being a PIA mod.
I too want PIA to be more transparent; their closed source linux client is a prime example of this, but instead of coming on these forums and crying like a little baby, I did something about it by cloning the client to opensource.
Everything I have read about PIA leads me to believe they keep no logs, if you have evidence to the contrary, I urge you to present it to us.
If you think another VPN is more trustworthy then off you go, take your chances.
As for me I have researched all of the "no-log" VPN providers and this is the only one I trust.
Have a nice day and try to be happy, it makes life much better.